Christ Centered Gamer

One could argue that the Bible's history is actually pretty shocking, full of blood, sex, patricide and genocide... which doesn't seem very Christian, either.

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Basically, that shouldn't be the judging ground.

Most of the people in the Bible's history did not claim to be Christian, and nobody here is claiming that any of them were Christian.

Basically, you're wrong.
Put that in your smipe and poke it. -_-

Lazarus, you are over saying it when you say that you do not see anything Christian in America's history. Compared to all other nations, it was one of the most Christian country.
We still pray at the beginning of football games, NASCAR races, and what not? Are you already forgetting that prayer was in schools? No where else do you hear of any such actions in other countries! Trust me..
Another great thing that America has been doing is protecting Israel, which makes me proud to be an American.
Yes, Lazarus. America has made many mistakes just like any sinful human being, but compared to other countries it is nothing. Anyways, Do you really expect anybody or anything to be perfect on this earth? It is not possible.


Drewsov, you are absolutely right about the Bible. It is a very shocking and says things as they are. As long as we live in a fallen world we will fight against sin, and lose many times. That is when we repent and try to not commit the same sin again.
Remember, religion is a futile attempt at pleasing God. That is why Jesus came and died.
Relationship with God is the answer. It is so simple, and yet so hard for people to understand.

Maybe "nothing Christian about America" was a bit harsh. I take that back.

But first of all... those examples you point out of prayer in school and football games...
that just shows that other countries are even worse, comparatively.
It's like if I show you two pictures.

The first one is a picture of a small mountain - a baby one, if you will.

The second one is a picture of Hawaii's Mauna Loa volcano(largest one in the world.)

America is the first picture. The rest of the world is the second picture.

Just because the second mountain is so much larger, doesn't mean that the original mountain is tiny. It's still pretty darn big.

So my point is, compared to other countries - yes, America still has a very bad history.
And also... I don't expect this country or any country to be perfect!

All I'm saying is that America has done a lot of bad things.
So when you say things like, "The majority of Americans used to be Christian"
"America was the closest nation to God so He blessed it"
"This latest generation is heading down the road to hell"

I'm saying that's false. If we can learn anything from America's history it's that we haven't changed much in two hundred years or so. -_-

Also...

you brought up protecting Israel.



Dude!
I don't even have to list any links. If you google "Israel and human rights violations" you will get hundreds of hits from various respected news organizations' web sites listing the atrocities the country of Israel has committed and is committing at this very moment.

Funny thing is, the UN has attempted to put a stop to this many times and, from what I've heard, mostly been blocked - by the US.

The same United states of America which gives Israel billions of dollars every year, not to mention weapons and technology.

So we're basically funding and supplying them with the tools to conduct their human rights violations. Yay for us. Savior of the world, America is.

>_>

Don't be too offended; not everyone is a fan of Israel and America.

Well, that is all I wanted from you. To agree that America is better when compared to other countries. Believe me, no nation will be better then America was. It is as good as it gets.
I very much do not agree with everything that Israel is doing. All I know is that God said this:

I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you. Genesis 12:3

God NEVER changes.

God never changes? Says who?

Also Uncommon.. >_> interpreting the Bible is a messy subject, but from what I understand that verse is referring to Jesus being of the bloodline of Abraham(hence the "all the nations of the earth shall be blessed through you")

As for the "those who curse you, I will curse"...
I don't think God ever cursed Himself, and He cursed Israel(in a manner of speaking). -_-

Lazarus, when you use the mountain anaology, keep in mind that America's mountain has only been around for 200 years. Our history may have less blemishes than much of the rest of the world, but thats because we havn't had the chance yet

Whoa! Laz . . . wow...

Um... God says He never changes.

"Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever." ~ Hebrews 13:8

And since Jesus Christ is God . . .

And Israel is God's chosen people. They are definitely not perfect, but they are God's chosen people nonetheless.

Why do you think it is the most fought over strip of land in the world?

First off why does God show favoratism towards a certain chosen group. I thought we're all loved equally and considered equal in the eyes of God.

Secondly its rediculus that people would fight over a strip of desert. Sure important religious events happened there but its still just land no different from any other area in the world. It shouldn't be worth killing people over.

Bloody terrific point you got there. And I'm not being sarcastic.

Garth, I agree with you. Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow.

How does that preclude God from changing?

Hm . . . He doesn't really show them any favoritism. But it is part of His promise to Abraham.



Ah, that is the question, is it not? Why are so many people fighting over this land?

Because Jesus Christ is God.

What you've said about God and Israel is definitely favoritism. -_-



Because they're fools?

I don't see how anyone could argue thats its not favoritism. The whole of the old testament is following the Hebrews through history with God always there to help them, often at the expense of other peoples. The rest of the world is just a backdrop. As for people fighting over a piece of land, its because they're religion tells them their God promished it to them. And I guess because the various religious relics in Jerusalem are really really really nice.

I don't believe that God plays favorites. He tells us to not be partial. It makes sense that He is not partial either.