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| Author: | Deepfreeze32 [ Sun Mar 29, 2009 2:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Should In God We Trust be removed from currency? |
Technically, some were. But a lot of them were born in America. And some came from other countries. (Only a few though) |
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| Author: | Hescominsoon [ Sun Mar 29, 2009 3:15 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Should In God We Trust be removed from currency? |
Drewsov wrote: It's funny, because the Magna Carta is a British document and has no bearing on the religion of the Founders or the religion of this nation at all! Wait, that's not funny. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magna_Carta The magna carta had a direct influence on the creation of our heavily stressed constitutional republic. |
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| Author: | Bruce_Campbell [ Sun Mar 29, 2009 3:27 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Should In God We Trust be removed from currency? |
Hescominsoon wrote: Drewsov wrote: It's funny, because the Magna Carta is a British document and has no bearing on the religion of the Founders or the religion of this nation at all! Wait, that's not funny. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magna_Carta The magna carta had a direct influence on the creation of our heavily stressed constitutional republic. Do you actually read what you're replying to before you post or are you just some kind of ultra conservative spambot? |
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| Author: | Hescominsoon [ Sun Mar 29, 2009 4:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Should In God We Trust be removed from currency? |
Bruce_Campbell wrote: Hescominsoon wrote: Drewsov wrote: It's funny, because the Magna Carta is a British document and has no bearing on the religion of the Founders or the religion of this nation at all! Wait, that's not funny. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magna_Carta The magna carta had a direct influence on the creation of our heavily stressed constitutional republic. Do you actually read what you're replying to before you post or are you just some kind of ultra conservative spambot? Yes i do read..and my replies are in response to what i have read. |
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| Author: | ChickenSoup [ Sun Mar 29, 2009 4:24 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Should In God We Trust be removed from currency? |
I associate the Magna Carta with laying the foundation for freedoms for England and being an example to other stuff that way but I don't see what it has to do with the religion of our founding fathers |
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| Author: | Drewsov [ Sun Mar 29, 2009 8:52 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Should In God We Trust be removed from currency? |
What Soup said. The Magna Carta had major influence on our legal system... but your "example" of it being a indicator of the religion of the Founders'? Haha, no. In fact, how does an impartial document (i.e., the Constitution, the Magna Carta, etc.) actually express the religious beliefs of the individual founders? It doesn't. |
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| Author: | Lazarus [ Sun Mar 29, 2009 9:15 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Should In God We Trust be removed from currency? |
Pheonix wrote: We don''t trust in God? Shas_el_Tyros wrote: Some people obviously don't.... You mean you don't, right Shas?! |
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| Author: | wferwfer [ Sun Mar 29, 2009 10:02 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Should In God We Trust be removed from currency? |
Maybe he does, maybe he doesn't, either way putting "God" on our money violates the establishment clause. |
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| Author: | ChickenSoup [ Sun Mar 29, 2009 10:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Should In God We Trust be removed from currency? |
wferwfer wrote: Maybe he does, maybe he doesn't, either way putting "God" on our money violates the establishment clause. no it doesn't |
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| Author: | Hescominsoon [ Mon Mar 30, 2009 8:14 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Should In God We Trust be removed from currency? |
wferwfer wrote: Maybe he does, maybe he doesn't, either way putting "God" on our money violates the establishment clause. How does it violate the establishment clause? |
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| Author: | Lazarus [ Mon Mar 30, 2009 8:15 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Should In God We Trust be removed from currency? |
IT doesn't! wfer doesn't know what he's talking about, as usual. |
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| Author: | wferwfer [ Mon Mar 30, 2009 2:59 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Should In God We Trust be removed from currency? |
Sure it does. The government favoring or promoting in any way religion over religion, religion over irreligion, or irreligion over religion is a clear violation of the establishment clause and separation of church and state. For the sake of religious freedom the government is supposed to be neutral with regard to any kind of religion. Of course that doesn't stop people. We make the president, the highest and most powerful official in the country, swear on a bible. The government makes the president swear on a religious document. And sworn in by a religious official too. If thats not establishment of religion I don't know what is. Whats gonna happen when an openly non-christian becomes president? |
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| Author: | Lazarus [ Mon Mar 30, 2009 3:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Should In God We Trust be removed from currency? |
You mean someone like Barack Obama? Oh! Wait! ...  and wfer, you still have not explained how "In God we Trust" on the currency is an example of the government making a law respecting an establishment of religion! Or prohibiting the free exercise thereof! You should try reading that Constitution you like to talk about so much once in a while. |
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| Author: | wferwfer [ Mon Mar 30, 2009 3:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Should In God We Trust be removed from currency? |
Barack claims to be a christian, but even if he's not he shouldn't be swearing on a bible. That undeniably is an establishment of religion. Putting the word "God" on government stuff is referencing God. It is religious. It doesn't matter if they're not specific about which religion, its still religious. Thats what the supreme court said anyway when they banned school organized prayer in public schools. They don't literally have to make a law regarding an establishment of religion for it to violate the clause. You don't take the constitution word by word literally, every part of it has been interpreted to include more than what is spelled out. For example the constitution only says we have freedom of speech and the press. That doesn't mean its limited to literally what comes out of your mouth. What about symbolic speech? (As in a shirt protesting the war in Iraq or something, not actual talking) Issues such as these have arisen in supreme court cases such as Tinker v. Des Moines Independent Community School District (1969) and Texas v. Johnson (1989). It has reasonably been interpreted as freedom of expression. Or the fourth amendment which protects the invasion of our privacy but doesn't explicitly say that beyond preventing unreasonably search and seizure by the government. Similarly separation of church and state comes from the establishment clause in order to keep the government impartial. Putting God on legal tender violates this. I know the constitution my friend. |
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| Author: | Deepfreeze32 [ Mon Mar 30, 2009 3:48 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Should In God We Trust be removed from currency? |
wferwfer wrote: Similarly separation of church and state comes from the establishment clause in order to keep the government impartial. Putting God on legal tender violates this. I know the constitution my friend. NO WHERE in the constitution does it say "There shall be a separation of church and state." You are interpreting the establishment clause incorrectly. |
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